Monday, June 01, 2009

How can you be "pro-life" then murder someone?

Apparently the answer to my question asked in the title, is that they believe it is justifiable homicide. There are quite a few media reports out there, CNN as one example, but one of the better articles out there giving full information on the man who was charged in the murder of Dr. George Tiller, Scott Roeder, is on McClatchy that comes from a Kansas City Star article.

Part of it:
Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.

"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who made headlines in 1995 when she was ordered by a federal judge to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic. "I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."

Dinwiddie said she met Roeder while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic in 1996. Roeder walked into the clinic and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist, she said.

"Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds," she said. "Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death. On the way out, he gave me a great big hug and he said, 'I've seen you in the newspaper. I just love what you're doing.'^"

Roeder also was a subscriber to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated the justifiable homicide position, said publisher Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines, Iowa.

"I met him once, and he wrote to me a few times," Leach said. "I remember that he was sympathetic to our cause, but I don't remember any details."

Leach said he met Roeder in Topeka when he went there to visit Shelley Shannon, who was in prison for the 1993 shooting of Tiller.

"He told me about a lot of conspiracy stuff and showed me how to take the magnetic strip out of a five-dollar bill," Leach said. "He said it was to keep the government from tracking your money."

Roeder, who in the 1990s was a manufacturing assemblyman, also was involved in the "Freemen" movement.

As some media sources have pointed out, Roeder posted on a message board with the suggestion that people should show up at Tiller's Church, it's also been reported that anti-abortion protesters had shown up on a frequent basis to protest outside the church.

Tiller had recently reported threats were increasing, he had a body guard who was not at church. It's not clear if the body guard never accompanied him to church or for some reason did not this particular Sunday. It's also clear there are people now saying that there should have been "red flags" about Roeder, and while Wichita police Detective Tom Stoltz has stated, "At this time we feel this is an act of an isolated individual" -- I don't agree with that, you have groups that readily admit in public that they advocate/justifying killing doctors who perform abortions and consider it "justifiable homicide" -- you have publications out there advocating it -- it's fairly easy to realize if there were groups advocating terrorism here in the US, openly talking about killing people and even having publications that advocate this, there would be a heck of a lot more action taken.

I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe if you have a group that is advocating violence and murder? That should warrant a bit more action. It's not as if this is anything new, it's been known for decades, that some believe this and this is not the first time someone had tried to kill Dr. George Tiller, Shelley Shannon is still in prison from the 1993 attempt. Whether you feel this type of action is Domestic Terrorism or not, who's really watching these groups, is a question that should be asked...


Mark W Adams said...

Good work Lisa. This kind of thing stopped being about choice and free speech long ago.

Lisa Renee said...

For me it's hard to watch people try to force their beliefs on others. I don't personally support abortion, but that's my personal choice. When faced with the decision when doctors advised abortion twice, I decided against it. It was my decision.

Who am I to tell another woman that she has to follow what I think? Who is my church to tell others, especially those who are not members of our church they have to follow their tenants?

I feel badly for men who do not want their partner to have an abortion, but biologically they are not the ones carrying the child so the ultimate decision should rest with the woman.

Lawrence Moore said...

I have a fairly simple philosophy about this... your rights end where mine begin.

Free speech? What these people are doing is no more free speech than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater would be. They're domestic terrorists advocating the commission of a felony. The sheer hypocrisy of "justifiable homicide" as a position for a "pro-lifer" to take would be funny... if it wasn't so tragic. The really sad thing is, he's a hero to these people now.

Kvatch said...

I think we need to be ready more violence of this sort. As the reich-wing falls further and further from power--gets further and further from the mainstream with their rhetoric--their supporters are going to get increasingly radicalized.

kateb said...

Ah as a conservative Christian I'm going to answer your question. "How can you be "pro-life" then murder someone?"

Well the truth is you can't. Value for life is really simple, you value all life.

I'm no supporter of abortion but I think my entitlement to make those decisions ends at the tip of my nose.

A positive alternative that many Christians choose to do is to enable young women to take care of their self-esteem and value their sexuality and discuss planning their families and thereby making those unborn children a reality.

But in no stretch of the imagination was this the act of a person with a relationship with Christ. Nope...nuh uh.