UPDATE:
Okay, I'm home now and it was quite a meeting, alot of information to process. This didn't end up being as much about Ben as I originally thought, Sherrod Brown's niece was there as well as some of his staffers (not Drew though so I was disappointed about that). Representation from the Young Democrats organization was present, several UT students, Frank Szollosi and Paul Hackett. Initial impressions, it appears there is a genuine effort for the Young Democrats of Lucas County to move forward to not only be more of a force in Lucas County but to encourage students to become more involved. Sherrod's niece and his staffers represented him well, and Paul Hackett is exactly what I expected, charasmatic, honest and refreshingly blunt at times.
I'll transcribe my notes, listen to the selected portions I taped and? Write alot more on this over at Glass City Jungle.
Just got back from an informal meeting, will write more on that later and tonight's event at UT first with Ben Konop and then Paul Hackett.
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14 comments:
Keep us posted, Lisa. I cannot make either event, as I have to teach at 8:00.
I was hoping you were going to be at one of them.
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Lisa,
You'll have Ben there, just how much "dazzle" can you take at once?
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Lisa,
Plan on posting Hackett's comparing the GOP to Osama bin Laden? When I read the quote, I thought it was from Buddy Hackett!
I don't know if comparing the GOP to Osame is accurate, but to the Christian Right part would make sense. Both are unaccepting of other views and try to push their own upon others.
I wish there was a cool politician around here I could interview. There is that vampire guy, but it would probably be a trick to suck my blood
Me4, as far as I know, the religious right in this country doesn't kill people who don't believe in God. Osama and his ilk do.
I'm not going to defend the choice of the Osama comparison, I think both sides at times over-use certain terms related to the topic of terrorism to areas where they don't belong. When he was here last night he made the comparison in a different context minus the Osama portion. As I stated that is one thing about Paul Hackett, he is very candid and that can be both a benefit and at times a negative.
Do I think there are going to be times when he says something that makes me wish he would have been more diplomatic? Yes, however, he inspires people to think, speak and act so I still feel in the total balance of it all he is on the Lisa scale of support vs not support still tipping heavily in the support category.
He's going to call things as he sees them and at times his candor is not going to be appreciated by different groups. The opposite end of that is no one could ever accuse him of pandering to the voters to tell them only what he thinks they want to hear. I think he would definitely give the Senate a much needed wake up call.
he inspires people to think
Comparing the GOP to Osama doesn't make anyone think, Lisa. It makes me change the channel and dismiss him as another moonbat.
Jonathan, judging him on the basis of just two comments, the Osama one and calling Bush an SOB last year isn't what I would advise if anyone listened to me about that. I don't work for the Hackett campaign and I have a feeling even if I did? He'd still speak his mind.
However, there's more to this than that. If he did comments like that on a daily basis and there was no deeper purpose or reasoning behind his campaign? Sure that would be a huge factor. I wasn't referring to the whole Osama thing when I said he makes people think, I was going on reading interviews, hearing podcasts and last night meeting him in person.
He's not a career politician and he's proud of that fact. If they turn him into one? Then some of the very reasons I hope he wins would disappear.
Sides to me this is a silly issue, a poor choice of words but something that has happened even with career politicans. Our vice president drops the f-bomb, the teacher's union was compared to terrorists by a Bush appointee, both sides of the political landscape use extreme terms to make their point that at times might not be the best way. Now if he starts acting like Pat Robertson? Then I'd change my mind.
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Jonathan- this is on a prayer card my friend found in Georgia.
Sunday: Pray for safety of soldiers and their families
Monday: Pray for confusion in the minds of the enemy and disharmony among their leaders
Tuesday: Pray for malfunction of enemy weapons
Wednesday: Pray for identities of insurgent forces to be revealed and brought to justice
Thursday: Pray for democratic government process to be successful
Friday: Pray for peace of Iraq
Saturday: Pray for the increase of faith of Iraqi Christians that they will stand up to procalim the Gospel of Jesus, even to the point of martyrdom
I am not saying that all conservative Christians think that way, but there is a wing of Christians that do and their voice is growing louder by the day.
Lisa, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Hackett. I think the two statements you mentioned is part of a pattern of moonbattery.
While I can certainly appreciate a politician who speaks his mind, like Jesse Ventura used to do in MN (God help me for referencing Ventura!), I can't appreciate moonbattery.
Then again, what do I know? I don't have hamsters on my blog! LOL!
I'm trying to look at the bigger picture, and maybe it's family history to. My uncle was a Libertarian and I mean very very Libertarian and he was very outspoken. Sometimes the things he said got him into trouble, yet I knew even when I disagreed with him? He was a man of conviction. I knew he meant what he said. Granted Hackett is younger than I am by a few years but he comes across with that same intensity and that same conviction. So sure, if you judge him soley on those two comments I understand why you would feel that way.
I'm going on more than that and to me, is he perfect? Hell no. I like alot of things about him but I also have to look at the other candidates in the race. I can't support DeWine being re-elected, I don't think Sherrod can beat DeWine and to be perfectly blunt, Sherrod has the reputation of being very liberal. Unless he can change that impression? He's not going to win baring a miracle where the majority of republicans stay home on election day. I have this silly dream of wanting to vote for someone rather than vote against someone. I know if I vote for Hackett I am voting for him....
But we're gonna disagree at times and even though I think you're wrong and I'm sure even the hamsters like Hackett? I accept your agree to disagree and promise not to try to Hackettize you.
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Me4, I see nothing wrong with the card you reference. Unless you mean the "even to the point of martyrdom" part. That, however, is subject to interpretation...I sure hope that doesn't come across as Clintonesque! :-)
Seriously, though, I immediately thought of the girl who was killed during the Columbine massacre by one of those evil bastards, when she was asked "Do you believe in Jesus NOW?" She answered "Yes", and she was dispatched to meet Him.
Is that degree of faith, to the point that she died for it, a type of martyrdom? I don't know, since "martyr" and "saint" are often used interchangeably and many flavors of Christianity don't acknowledge Saints per se. If, though, the word "martyr" is used to define someone willing to die for their faith, then clearly she was a martyr.
If the prayer you reference in Iraq is interpreted the way that I interpret it, it's harmless. "Give Iraqi Christians the faith to withstand threats from Islamofascists, even to the point of dying (NOT KILLING!) for their Christian faith."
There is categorically and undeniably NOT a sizable group of Christians willing to kill non-believers...and therefore, NOT a "growing group." I'm sorry, but it just isn't true. We're not like those bloodthirsty Islamofascist savages.
My $0.02 worth, my friend.
I accept your agree to disagree and promise not to try to Hackettize you.
Fair enough! :-)
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