Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Crying Virgin Mary's and Is God Throwing Stones?

or Where Lisa Renee takes on the heavy issue of miracles, faith and the Constituition.

In California: Vietnamese Catholic Martyrs Church Parishoners first noticed the tears of blood on Wednesday. But fearing they were put there by pranksters, a priest here wiped the statue clean, only to have those tears return over the weekend.

The church has now contacted the Catholic Diocese in hopes an investigation will be launched. Many are so convinced it's real, they weep.

In Washington: A chunk of Vermont marble was part of the dentil molding that serves as a frame for nine sculptural figures completed in 1935. The piece that fell was over the figure of Authority, near the peak of the building's pediment, and to the right of the figure of Liberty, who has the scales of justice on her lap.

While I am a Catholic and I'm not sure I believe in the possibility of miracles; but perhaps God could be sending "messages"; I'll first focus on the Supreme Court Building. They are doing constrution on the building so it's pretty likely that is what led to the piece of marble becoming lose then falling.

Now on to the Crying Virgin Mary. There have been numerous reports of Paintings and Statues of the Virgin Mary crying thru out the history of the Catholic Church. Anyone who has ever watched the movie Stigmata has seen an exaggerated view of part of this issue.

Most of the time, an investigation is called, as in the Austrailian Virgin Mary Statue that was reported as weeping:

An investigation by the Catholic Archdiocese of Perth into the phenomenon last year failed to establish the source of the tears. Announcing the results in February, Archbishop Barry Hickey said he could not conclude safely that the substance was of divine origin.Scientists identified it as olive oil mixed with globules of rose oil.Archbishop Hickey declined to comment further on the phenomenon this week, saying only that it was a "private matter".Although almost 350ml of the liquid was collected from the statue in the fortnight before the investigation began, it did not produce any tears while under observation by the investigating commission.Under Archbishop Hickey's orders, the statue cannot be displayed in church property in the archdiocese.

There have been statues who have had tears that appeared to be blood and were tested as human blood as well as oil, and other substances. Only a very few have been "authenticated" over the years. Many times the statues are owned by private owners who only allow a certain amount of testing so that the real cause if there was one is never found.

More importantly though is whether hoax or real the response created by these events. One of the most difficult things about religion, any religion, is having faith. How many of us that believe have not asked God at one point in time for a sign that he is really listening to us? Even though we are told to trust in that faith, we still would like a sign, proof, something that shows that God really exists. The desire to see a miracle, stems from wanting the security of knowing, having proof.

Yet? That is what faith is all about, since there is a website for just about everything, there is even one for those who are facing a Faith Crisis. In taking a quick look around the site it does make a point that I believe in. The matter of free will. While I'd like to believe God is sitting up there ready to jump in to help me when things get bad, I know that doesn't happen. At best you can hope for guidance, because if you truly believe God gave us free will he's not going to come in and rescue us. As a Lisa summary of the Bible, God reached a point as we do with our own children where he said "Well there you go, I gave you what you need to deal with life. I love you, now do something with your life." I imagine him sitting up in heaven at times probably wishing he had never made the promise to Noah that he wasn't going to interfere and shaking his head at what a mess some of us have made of this planet and our lives. That's why I am skeptical about "miracles" because it interferes with the concept of free will. It also raises alot of questions that are in direct contradiction with free will. If God makes a statue cry why not save children from suffering? (You see where I could head with that.)

I understand some of you don't believe what I do, and some of you don't believe in God at all. To me that is the beauty of faith, you don't have to. No one should be forced to believe and no one should be forced not to believe. That is what I feel our Founding Fathers gave us in the Constitution. If you want to worship God? Go for it. If you don't? That's fine too. That's perhaps one area especially where the Founding Fathers had to much "faith" in us. They assumed we would respect each other and forgot it's a part of human nature to want to be "right".

As what could be considered a slightly ironic moment...open trackbacked at Those Bastards Who have an interesting post by "Father Guido Sarducci"...

9 comments:

Scott G said...

She is probably crying because she has seen what people are doing to Christianity and Christmas. The same news program will have someone talking about the war on Christianity and Christmas and then cut to people fighting for cheap computers and dolls.

Unknown said...

Or mass attendence was falling, no better way to make them come in by the droves than to have a statue of the Virgin Mary shedding tears.

(Yes that was cynical...I'll confess it later)

:-)

Hooda Thunkit (Dave Zawodny) said...

My faith allows me to see how God evens the score, so to speak, with such perfect pure and bittersweet irony.

When you see it, you know that it was by His/Her hand.

Traditionally we have come to refer to God as He, when in reality we don't know.

When you're a God, does gender really apply?

I believe that the ironic way of making things right, can only be done by the hand of God.

Scott G said...

I don't know about God's gender, but I am pretty sure God is Irish. Why else would there have been enlightened inventions like Guinness and bar fights?

As far as evening the score, I believe in karma and that hypocrites will get theirs eventually. I am a crazy person who believes that all religious people pray to different manifestations of one God though.

Cyberseaer said...

BRAVO. LISA!!!! When a person come to me and asks why is there suffering, hurt, evil, and death in the world and why does God allow it, I look at them and teel them freewill. Freewill has is a two sided sword. Yes, people do good and great things for others, but there are those who hurt and commit evil acts against others. You can have freedom for free.

But people don't want to hear that. They want to have all the good things handed to them and have no bad things happen.

The world is a dangerous place and it is up to us what to do with our lives. It will be an uphill battle most of the time, but life isn't fair, but we have the power to change the rules if we want. We alway must face any and all consequences for our actions; good and bad. People who don't believe try to trap those who do believe in saying that there is no God because of all the bad and evil in the world. People's choices have led to lots of evil in this world, but we can choose to do more good and try and make this a better world.

I liked what you said about God letting his children go off and live their lives. I have always had faith and it has been shaken from time to time, but it was always there. I understand my faith in God more after becoming a father. When the time comes, I will let my children go and live their lives. I will be scared for them and prey every day that they will be safe, but I will let them go and live.

The one thing that pisses me off is when people prey for something and don't get it and say that it was an unanswered prayer. Bullshit! The answer was either "Not now." or "No." Is it so hard to think that God would deny us something in our best interests? We, as a people, have become so lazy with the feeling of entitlement that we are so aggorant that we think that we know what is best for us. Wake up call! We know precious little on what is good for us.

My answer to unanswered prayers (by the way, I hate that Grath Brooks song) is to rent Bruce Almighty and then see the deleted scenes. It best explains why we do not always get what we pray for. Even if you can't stand Jim Carey, still see this flick. Plus once Bruce gets the power of God, there are consequnces to all of his actions with the Almighty's power.

As for miricles, they happen daily. When a child is born into this world, when a doctor uses the knowledge of healing to save a life, when a parent comforts a child when a boo boo happens, and so on. All of these examples, and more, are miricles because there is a piece of God in all of us. Whether people want to acknowledge that or not is their choice. Their freewill.

I also believe the same thing that me4 does, that though people pray for Him, Her, or It, we are praying to the same God. That is what I believe.

Lisa, stop chewing on the pencils and screaming and spitting on the monitor. I'll start when I start.

Rufus (refering to God) - "You know She really isn't a She. She really isn't anything."

Bethany - "But She sure is something."

DOGMA (1999)

Cyberseaer said...

If that last post didn't prove that the character limitation is off on Lisa blog, I have no idea what will.

Cyberseaer said...

It also proves that I do not proffread my comments until after I have posted them. I may a few errors that may confuse you, but we have all done that. I just do it more often than most.

Cyberseaer said...

And yes, I like to see myself type. ;)

Unknown said...

Thanks C and I've stopped bugging you about the "B" thing. With as little extra time as you have right now if you did have one? You'd be spending less time here and that would not be cool.

I just got home from a real adventure. I'll fill you in later. As a teaser it has to do with daughters, interviews, modeling and shysters you try to warn your children about but they don't want to listen.

:-)