Wednesday, July 27, 2005

Israel says NO to US

In a move I didn't think I would ever see, today's Haaretz reports that Israel is not willing to follow the US demands concerning security-related exports. In return the US has refused to lift sanctions against Israel until their demands are met. It appears if you read the article as reported by Haaretz that Israel agreed to the initial demands but the US demands were increased, to include a written apology. (Evidently both the Israeli government and Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz refused to write "I promise to good and not sell anymore weapons to that bad China").

Mofaz, who was about to leave for Washington for talks on the matter, canceled the trip following the increased U.S. demands.

Many Israelis are stating that they do not feel Israel should apologize or agree to the first set of terms let alone the new ones that the US has announced. I can see the US point, Israel should not be selling or trying to make a profit from military technology that the US gave or assisted them to create.

In other news from Israel that show Sharon is not having an easy time of it, a group of extreme-rightists said Tuesday that they had held a ceremony to place a pulsa denura, a halakhic curse, on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in order to bring about his death.

Twenty people supposedly took part in the ceremony, held last Thursday in the small town of Rosh Pina. The participants believe that Sharon will die in the coming 30 days, or else all those who took part in the ceremony would die.

These extremists belive that the same type of curse was the reason for the death of minister Yitzhak Rabin.

What will happen next? Who will fold, Israel or the US? Will Sharon die in 30 days or will the twenty or so people who placed the curse die?


Steve said...

Isreal should be kissing our butt. I'm sorry but if it wasn't for U.S. arms sales and military training, Isreal would be part of Greater Egypt or Syria. Americans around the world are killed and persecuted because our countries continued support of Isreal.
Yes, Isreal is a soverign country, but they owe us BIG. Selling arms to China, who in turn arms terrorists, North Korea, Iran and Syria is a no brainer. Especially when those arms are coppies of American arms.

Me4Prez said...

I think that we should support Israel as ourr main ally in the region, but there comes a point when we can't excuse their actions and protect them anymore. I am not saying they are responsible for the violence and problems there, but they do have some responsibility for it.

There are Israelis who will do anything to keep the Palestinians from having any power, like kill Rabin because of the peace process, and they should be seen as terrorists also.

I used to think that we should set a border, out our troops on it, and shoot both ways if anyone tried to intervene. I don't know what to do now. I just know that Israel gets more and more like a little brother who starts fights because they know big brother won't let them get their asses kicked.

Lisa Renee said...

I don't feel we should be supporting Israel to the extent we have in the past or the present.

I realize there is big money to be made in selling weaponry and technology but if Israel didn't develop it on their own they shouldn't sell it. That is what they agreed to originally so they should stick with that. I also don't think they should be selling some of the items they have to other nations, but that's a separate issue and one the US is far guiltier of than Israel.

Me4Prez said...

I obviously agree that we should change our level of support. It is hard to determine if we do it because they are a democracy, the powerful Jewish lobby, or because fundamentalist Christians believe Israelis need to have control of all their original lands before the rapture can occur.

They say they are unsafe because they are surrounded, but they(and Europe and the US) chose the location. What did they think would happen, the Palestinians and other Muslim nations would bring them housewarming gifts?

Lisa Renee said...

The US didn't have that much to do with the location, that is more on England and France, since they basically gave the Jews the land they didn't split up between themselves. But I agree that anyone knowing the history in that region should have predicted it was not going to end up friendly.

I often wonder what would have happened if they would have chosen Africa or another location instead of Palestine.

Anonymous said...

Guess I'm naive. Found this very surprising. Israel should not sell to China as has been said. Not this technology & weaponry. Perhaps, even 'tho I am glad we're allies, we should cut them off until a solution is reached. Who will fold ? Anybody's guess. I would have, awhile back, said not the U.S. but now ? not so sure. Then again, with Pres. Bush ? Time out to re-think this man's, IMHO, who do these people think they are to refuse our/my demands.

Faith said...

Drats ! I'm not anonymous ! (lol)

Lisa Renee said...

Israel got approval to sell the initial military items to China, the problem is this sale that caused all the discussion they tried to say was not an upgrade and it was. So that's how it started Faith, the US and Israel had an agreement that anything that was US technology could not be sold without our permission. Some in Israel have a problem with that.

(that's the quick history for you)

Faith said...

Thank you, Lisa. I appreciate both the correction and info. God Bless you my friend and may your blog grow ever steadily. Hmmm, how about rampant. :)

Lisa Renee said...

That's what friends are for Faith, things I learn I share and the same with you. Most people don't spend alot of time reading about what goes on over there. The middle east has always interested me though, but I try not to turn this into Lisa's Middle Eastern Palace....


Cyberseaer said...

I say good. Let Isreal do what it wants and the US will pull all funding and support from the area. If they think that they can handle this shit all by themselves, let them. Just because it's the Holy Land, doesn't mean it is a US problem. All the billions this country has given them in grants (so Isreal doesn't have to it back)and they don't think that we should have a say in it? Fine.

Let's pull support out of Isreal and let the chips fall where they may. I am sick of hearing that this country must be the watchdog for the world. At this point, isolatism sounds good to me.

Lisa Renee said...

Sometimes the idea of isolationism sounds good to me too. The idea of the US going on strike.

While at times we do interfere where we shouldn't, we also do alot of good along the way that is forgotten by some of us (myself included at times).